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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 20, 2010 8:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

There are people who don't like Terrapin?

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Don't love it or hate it. The appeal for me comes in the post Terrapin jams that pop up from time to time.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 21, 2010 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

There have been a few threads devoted to Terrapin and folks widely varying opinions on it. I'm not going to say it's a bad song, just that it really doesn't do it for me. To formulaic. No real opportunity for extended improvistaion. Great studio tune. Love the album version. Just my opinion of course. That and you add on the fact that it really served to highlight Jerry's progressing vocal demise. Listening to him try and hit those high notes is like nails on a chalk board.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

"No real opportunity for extended improvistaion."

Couldnt agree more. It's really an aweful song. And a perfect example of what was wrong with the Grateful Dead during the 80's and 90's...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Starting in 1990, many versions of Terrapin were 15+ minutes with fully extended jamming. Have you not ever heard any of those?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

I have heard them, and frankly I find them rather difficult to listen to.

It's not jamming by my definition of the term, and certainly not nearly as cohesive or compelling as what was transpiring on an almost nightly basis during the 60's and 70's!

I know you attended many shows during the 90's, but your being there doesn't make the music any better today...

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 21, 2010 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

I made no judgments about how compelling it was or whether it stacked up favorably next to the 60's and 70's. I love the 60's and 70's. I was simply pointing out that you were wrong. But it's amazing how you can be right anyway, simply by narrowing the definition of what a "jam" is. You must have helped Clinton prep for Ken Starr's interrogation.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Sep 21, 2010 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Like Cliff, I have heard many, both on tape and in person. Just didn't do it for me. Sorry. But just because I don't care for the tune doesn't make it a tune no one should like. To each his own. If you like it, more power to you and please continue to enjoy the tune.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 21, 2010 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Word to that. I will certainly do so.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Sep 21, 2010 4:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Those post terrapin jams that you speak of are the most interesting part of the Terrapin, for me personally. I wished they would do it more with UJB as well.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 21, 2010 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

"No real opportunity for extended improvistaion."

You must not listen to post-80s GD. I would direct your attention to virtually any version of the song from 1990-95. Check 3/15/90 or 9/8/90 for monster Terrapin jams, though there are many others.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Try this post lyric jam ,

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1990-03-24.sbd.miller.107873.flac16

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Sep 20, 2010 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Yes!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2010 6:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

I don't exactly not like it, but I also don't get why some people love it. It's not among the works of genius by the Grateful Dead, that's for sure.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 21, 2010 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

dont ya get the?? in the northwest corner in th shadow of the moon lyric?? more acid !!table# 3 bells are ringing everywhere!! inspiration moved me brightly!! yes i dig a terrapin station!!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2010 6:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

Hm that must be the problem, not enough acid (i.e., not any) while listening to Terrapin.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Sep 21, 2010 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

its all in good fun girl!! :) to me its a type of mystical tune. its not in the music so much as the lyrics in the whole suite.till things we never seen seem familiar :)http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/terr.html

This post was modified by whirlwind dreamer 65-95 on 2010-09-21 14:49:54

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

That's one of the beautiful things about the Grateful Dead - the songs mean so many different things to different people. In one it's the lyrics, in another it's Jerry's guitar etc. I noticed since the most recent round of scoffing at Tennessee Jed, I keep finding myself listening to that song with great appreciation. There are times I'm inclined to skip it, lately I'm inclined to repeat it! (maybe just to be ornery since people here diss it)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 21, 2010 8:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

What, you mean it's not about a turtle?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Sep 21, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: A Nice TDIH Bookend to 70: '82 MSG

LOL